Seeing FP commentartiats argue over 9-speed vs 10-speed vs DCT vs DSG vs BBQ...

"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck) 01/29/2019 at 21:05 • Filed to: your possessions are increasingly outdated and inferior in every measureable way

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... And I’m sitting here with my ancient 5-speed autos like

“That’s for the FAN to decide.” “Yay!”

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:07

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Tell me about it. 

Berang > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:07

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five speeds?

well look at you, mr. fancy pants.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:08

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3 speed auto checking in

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:08

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(waves from CVT land)

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 01/29/2019 at 21:12

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Don’t even mention it on the FP lest they tear you apart like that bear would.

There’s a guy replying to my comments on the ZL1 10 speed article saying the Porsche PDK is a “dishonest slushbox”

facw > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:13

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I’m right there with you.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:13

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My generation TL  had a 5-speed auto at the beginning of this decade. Have I mentioned that Acura’s goal with it was to be a more serious competitor to Ze Germans? How you gonna do that with a 5-speed auto in 2010? They wised up and put a 6-speed auto in it with the 2012 facelift.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/29/2019 at 21:14

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I have a “ dogleg 5speed” card I can play if need be. 

functionoverfashion > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:17

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Hmm let’s see. 5 speed manual, 4 speed manual. Might as well be walking I suppose.

(ok, fine if you count our Volvo, that’s a 6-speed auto)

Alfalfa > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:18

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And they probably all can shift through every gear faster than my C6 can do 1-2.

CRider > interstate366, now In The Industry 01/29/2019 at 21:18

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Mercedes put a 5 speed slushomatic in the SLR and ch arged over  $500k for it until 2010.

dogisbadob > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:19

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I have a 4-speed auto

Sovande > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:20

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There's BBQ? I'm in. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > CRider 01/29/2019 at 21:21

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“no way until 2010" (goes to wiki) holy cow i though they only made it for a 2 years. 

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 01/29/2019 at 21:25

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Permission to join your formation , Maverick?

-also three speed

interstate366, now In The Industry > CRider 01/29/2019 at 21:27

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I hate the SLR even more now.

Just Jeepin' > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:30

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Years ago at a car show I saw a stunning Aston Martin with a sign listing its many attributes, one of which was an absurdly high number of gears for its automatic transmission. Memory says 14 but I suspect that’s just my usual terrible recall.

Anyway, I found it amusing that anyone would brag about having an automatic transmission instead of hanging their head in shame, but I guess that’s the world for you: full of people with weird priorities.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Sovande 01/29/2019 at 21:32

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Why are you grey

random001 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:34

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You have FIVE speeds?!

wafflesnfalafel > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:34

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T he best experience I have had, (i. e. it shifted when I think it should) automatic was a traditional 4spd automatic in a 2005 Nissan Altima. Hammer it and it drops down quickly then upshifts when it should . Putt around town and it’s in top gear. Could mileage been better with an extra couple cogs - sure. But the shift mapping and execution was spot on. 1st runner up - 4 spd in a post Acura refresh Isuzu Trooper with “sport” mode on. Again, quick and intuitive downshifts making the most of what power was available.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:35

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It'S nOt A sUpRa It'S jUsT a BmW. wHeRe Is ThE 2Jz?!

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:35

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Lord Flintstone, your car is ready.

lone_liberal > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:36

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Add my two cars together and you’d still only have seven speeds.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:37

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I bet my slushbox is more slustastic than yours. 

aquila121 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:42

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Your choice for “filed to:” on this post is pretty damn great. Also, I’ll just chime in that my first car had a three-speed auto. So hilariously gutless.

lone_liberal > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 01/29/2019 at 21:43

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I have 3 speeds of Turbo Hydramatic goodness in the Camaro but the DD gets 4 speeds !  Look at me being all fancy.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Berang 01/29/2019 at 21:50

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2 speeds and one two to poke the gears into place?

DipodomysDeserti > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:52

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Subaru was still putting a four speed auto in the Forester up until 2013.

Tristan > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 21:52

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If you add up all 4 of my cars I have 18 speeds!

GLI-6, ‘Burb-4, XJ-5, Stude-3.

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 22:00

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I can’t brag about my 6 speed auto if my  car won’t start to go through all of them in the first place.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > random001 01/29/2019 at 22:04

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- my neighbor

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 22:09

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This makes me funny in special places.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 22:09

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HA! My old Hyundai (from 2010!) had a 4 speed with a 1:1 3rd gear.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 22:12

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Five? You bourgeoisie swine. I’ve got four.

I'm so glad I'm not a Dodge Neon peasant with only 3.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 22:16

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Three of my bicycles are 10 speed manual but one is a   20 speed manual with  a maximum gear spread of somewhere around 460% ...so I win this stupid argument. Unless one of you lot is sporting a triple crankset on your bike and a 10-46 rear cassette

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > lone_liberal 01/29/2019 at 22:18

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Holden used to call it Trimatic. Everyone else called it Traumatic.

Sovande > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 22:29

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I have been relegated. I am not sure for how long. I may have told someone they have borderline personality disorder. It was His Stigness. I told him that. 

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Sovande 01/29/2019 at 22:32

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Oh.

benjrblant > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 22:53

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The land cruiser has a 4 speed!

shop-teacher > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 22:54

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Pft, I only gots 4-speeds!

Longtime Lurker > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/29/2019 at 23:31

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5 speed auto, 5 speed manual. But the bike has a 6 speed.

Longtime Lurker > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/29/2019 at 23:33

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Hey the Flintstone car only had 4 pieds!

CRider > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 01/30/2019 at 00:44

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Yup, and made special editions (modified existing cars) until 2012.

CRider > interstate366, now In The Industry 01/30/2019 at 00:45

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That 5 speed was still available in the Jeep Wrangler until the JK died last year. The *same* transmission in the SLR was in the Je ep Wrangler just 2 years after the SLR was killed.

HammerheadFistpunch > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/30/2019 at 01:09

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5 speed? oooh look at you!

HammerheadFistpunch > DipodomysDeserti 01/30/2019 at 01:09

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the Corolla had one in 2016!

Berang > Berang 01/30/2019 at 02:42

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i typed it first folks

pip bip - choose Corrour > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/30/2019 at 04:45

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manuals are still WAY better

:/

random001 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/30/2019 at 06:45

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Hah.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > Longtime Lurker 01/30/2019 at 08:33

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no brake shoes tho

interstate366, now In The Industry > CRider 01/30/2019 at 11:06

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Somehow that doesn’t surprise me as much as the transmission being in the SLR to begin with.

The TL thing, for me, seemed to be a point of arrogance of the company. The 3rd gen, especially the Type S, was a popular car, but missing just a little something to challenge the 5 series and E-class and A6. For the 4th gen, they did some things right, making the car more upscale inside, adding a great AWD system as an option, and squeezing even more power out of the J-series V6, but then they decided to use basically the same transmission as the previous generation had when the by-then-ancient E60 5-series had already been using a 6-speed auto since its inception. Even Infiniti and Lexus had 6-speed autos at that point. And then you had the F10 5-series come out the next year with the ZF 8HP. Combine that with the hideous original beak and it’s no wonder sales tumbled. They added a manual option in 2010, and the merciful redesign and 6-speed auto in 2012, but too little too late. That said, I love my 2012. But I would only buy an  09-11 as a project.

RickSanchez:Fury Road Edition aka Junkrat > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/30/2019 at 12:21

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2 or 3 speeds are fine, you just need more torque.

sn4cktimes > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 01/30/2019 at 12:39

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I have 4... if you count reverse...

Party-vi > Sovande 01/30/2019 at 14:54

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FIXED

Sovande > Party-vi 01/30/2019 at 15:04

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Thanks man. I'll try to keep my stick on the ice moving forward... 

CRider > interstate366, now In The Industry 01/30/2019 at 23:16

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I’ m guessing the profit margins on the SLR were insane, since the transmisson is obviously a cheap old part and IIRC the chassis was SL-based. It does look awesome, though.

Acura has always felt a bit half assed to me. Heavily based on Hondas and nothing really stand out except their AWD system . I’ve always seen them as a Japanese Lincoln- decent ‘ affordable luxury’ c ars with polarizing looks, awful names and nothing very exciting going on under the hood (NSX doesn’t count, that’s a Honda and everyone knows it ).

interstate366, now In The Industry > CRider 01/30/2019 at 23:52

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I’m in the minority that hates the SLR’s looks. Never been a fan of the front clip.

I agree to an extent on Acura; I think they’ve had some (key word some) genuinely good cars over the years, even a couple this decade. But you’re right, most of the platforms have been based on their Honda brethren, though they seem to be getting away from that a little bit. Maybe they’re finally starting to realize that isn’t going to cut it in this crowded market and their sales fell for a reason. The new RDX is getting good reviews and it’s something I’d consider in the future. However, that’s it for their current lineup. Having driven two TLXs, I can say that one of those would be a downgrade from my TL; the ILX is still literally a previous-gen Civic in a suit despite all the changes made over the years; the MDX and RLX are too big for me; and the NSX is basically a homologation special.

CRider > interstate366, now In The Industry 01/31/2019 at 01:26

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I can see why you don’t like it, but imo it looks better than the Ferrari 599 (and the Enzo) , though not as good as the Ford GT from the era . It was the only good looking Me rcedes at a time when Mercedes was making some shit cars- all their AMG models had that 5 speed and it was not keeping up with manuals *or* DCTs at the time.

U nlike a lot of people, I don’t care if a car shares a platform with another car if the platform is good. VW/Audi know how to stretch a platform from a Volkswagen to an Audi to a Bentley and they make it work. But they all need distinct styling and engines and Acuras simply don’t seem very different in that aspect.

But t he worst thing about Acura is their naming scheme. I know the TL, but I don’t know where the RDX or MDX sit in the lineup without looking it up . I looked it up and now know that they end *every* model name with X. LX means sedan and DX means SUV. ILX, TLX and RLX are their sedan names. RDX and MDX are their SUVs. How did they come up with that? HOW? How can you get consumers to remember your cars if enthusiasts can’t even remember what you call your cars?

interstate366, now In The Industry > CRider 01/31/2019 at 18:12

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I agree with you on Acura’s naming scheme not making much sense. Most of the other brands’ alphanumerics give you at least a little bit of a guide as to which one is the entry level and where to go up from there. I’m not even sure what they’d be named if they had real names, aside from the ILX being the Integra (it picked up the chassis codes when it was introduced) and the RLX being the Legend, which it still is overseas.